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Liz, I am not a Christian, but often readily say the word ‘true Christian’ in respect of my late sister, and others who just live their lives in accordance with values that they wouldn’t even think of let alone talk of being ‘christian’. BTW I am not against Christians, even evangenlical ones.
However there is some commonality in the approach of people flogging ‘snake oil’ and the people that have given christianity a particularly bad name.
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- Are there any people who have actually bought one of these packages, newbie or veteran, who can say whether it was of any benefit? I realise it is an unfair question because, presumably, some of these internet marketers do offer fair value.
- If however you are brand new to the Internet – know nothing about building a website – then do yourself a favour – keep your credit card locked up and read, read, read – there’s all you need to know available online for free. And yes you can make money while you sleep ………That’s not to say you don’t have to do an awful lot of work – if you thnk this is as easy as making money with property or shares – think again – it is not (and I know I have done all three).
That is my main problem with the pitching of these products. There is a difference in the law between ‘puffery’ and making representations of fact which induce people to part with their money, based on implied or explicit promises of instant wealth.
Everything takes work. It took a lot of effort to become an Australian champion in my sport, just a minority sport. I was never coached formally, but there were always people who you observe, learn from, and who offer their advice. It is what you do with what is available to you that really matters. It reminds me of that quote to the following effect ‘the harder I practise the luckier I get’.
It applies to everything in life. I know I am a newbie. I know where I am at. I know there is a wealth of information out there, but putting it all together is the challenge.
I have been to one of these free marketing seminars and was conversant enough with the terminology and techniques to form my own opinions. I wouldn’t denigrate the presenters, but ALL without exception, have had years of experience in different allied fields in the offline world. Some held themselves out, to different degrees as having ‘the solution’ for a price.
One particular presenter, whose blog I do follow, had worked for an major luxury automotive company in marketing and business operations. Very smart guy, with a business background. He confessed to having studied for up to six years at every opportunity whilst working full time in his full time job to learn what he learnt. That kind of commentary struck me as ethical, as his focus was on using free tools, and where there was a paid tool he focused on the free tool.
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Liz,
This is a little off point, but regarding Slater’s disclosures on the Oil Whale Blog I agree that all should be equal before the law. Celebrities, politicians, affluent and high profile individuals seem to have their identities suppressed more often than ordinary individuals.
Every person accused of crimes, particularly involving sexual abuse face grave consequences in terms of stigma. If they are acquitted their lives can be ruined. I am not sure I necessarily buy the fact that the orders are always made to protect the identity of the victim, although I understand the rationale. This should be the victim’s choice. - The Keyword Academy Video Course – A Scam?
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Can’t wait to race through the rest of the videos.
It is positively addictive.
You don’t get hype or promises of instant wealth!
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Thanks for the tips.Sure there is no certainty in anything. That is logical. Nature abhors a vacuum.
Both look like good value. I think I will try the KWA as I need something structured to make me ‘do’; otherwise I will passively read everything and DO nothing.
In the final analysis there is no silver bullet. I know that. But I may as well at least give it a go. There is some opportunity cost associated with time and effort, but it is preferable to shelling out thousands of dollars on seminars.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I’ve always been prepared to work hard, but I can’t think of anything worse than contemplating a lifetime of doing something you really don’t enjoy.
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Hey Lissie,
After reading Mikes experience and then seeing what Brett McFfall responded with, I think Brett was just a little hot around the collar on his comment.
I have not been to any Guru get together’s to scam us newbies but I actually thought about it not too long ago.
I went to an Amway presentation about 22 years ago, it had the same type of Hype.
I have to agree with you on all points, including …….I do not want to run this type of business model, simply because it really would bother me to much.
Also: News Flash……Copy Blogger has a new post about Trolls….. I couldn’t help but go there from my statcounter traffic stats page (I stupidly gave a link to CoppyBlogger, live and learn, has been fixed)and then I read it.
On another note:
I would have deleted his comment. Brian Clark is just another Brett Mcfall. Does not deserve any links to his cult-like (brainwashing) scam site! (just my opinion)
About the Plan B income to replace Passive Income?
wouldn’t I need to do plan A first? ………Passive income
Hope you have an awesome week!
Dirk
.-= Dirk@thespiderwebmarketingsystem2.0´s last blog ..Spiderweb Marketing System And The New Spiderweb 2.0 Review =-.
I suspect that the same techniques used by today’s marketers was in use when Jesus was inventing Christianity, and Mohammed Islam – its all about humans need for security and being part of the tribe – and we haven’t evolved much in the last 10,000 years! If you have the opportunity to go to a free marketing seminar – its worth going to a good one just to observe this in action! As no one can hard sell me anything – its worth knowing how it works on others.
I am thinking about taking Todd’s approach which he talked about a no comment plugin for friends
LOL love the copyblogger post (not him of course) – I doubt any of the commentators have have dealt with real trolls .
True re the Passive Income – but I have more of it than I used to LOL
Spot on Lissie – some of these marketing techniques are about pandering to the base needs and fundamental (unconscious?) fears of the sheeple. They feed off people’s desire, greed and need for security. Religion is the ultimate example of this: someone sells you the secret to eternal life, no less! Even better, it doesn’t cost you a penny (apart from the tithes)… “all” you have to give up is your freethought… But I digress
The moment any product or technique tells me I have to “hurry” I’m immediately turned off by it. I like to sit back and objectively evaluate products and services in my own time. Anything forcing me to forego that process makes me suspect an ulterior motive.
.-= Roland@Online Income´s last blog ..Climbing the Mountain =-.
LOL Roland I definintly agreed with you re religon- the atmosphere in this marketing meeting could easily have been a evangalistic church service – different words exactly the same emotions! Yeah walking away is always a powerful strategy
Lissie,
I failed to mention that the trolls post was unique in that it was directed to you, but I should have never brought it up due to the fact that you were not mentioned.
These A-listers are going at great lengths to keep the real truth’s out of there system.
So what can a person do……….
I know……….Out Rank Them
Later
P.S. I don’t know what to do with this keyword luv stuff, not trying to get a link here everytime.
Well Well…may be Brett was hype but he did made money and you are not denying the fact that he had substance in his seminar although it was of no use o you. Working online has so many aspects and its upto you to choose what kinda way you want to walk in. If your way does not matches with Brett ways he is in no way to be held responsible.
If however you are brand new to the Internet – know nothing about building a website – then do yourself a favour – keep your credit card locked up and read, read, read – there’s all you need to know available online for free. And yes you can make money while you sleep ………That’s not to say you don’t have to do an awful lot of work – if you thnk this is as easy as making money with property or shares – think again – it is not (and I know I have done all three).
That is my main problem with the pitching of these products. There is a difference in the law between ‘puffery’ and making representations of fact which induce people to part with their money, based on implied or explicit promises of instant wealth.
Everything takes work. It took a lot of effort to become an Australian champion in my sport, just a minority sport. I was never coached formally, but there were always people who you observe, learn from, and who offer their advice. It is what you do with what is available to you that really matters. It reminds me of that quote to the following effect ‘the harder I practise the luckier I get’.
It applies to everything in life. I know I am a newbie. I know where I am at. I know there is a wealth of information out there, but putting it all together is the challenge.
I have been to one of these free marketing seminars and was conversant enough with the terminology and techniques to form my own opinions. I wouldn’t denigrate the presenters, but ALL without exception, have had years of experience in different allied fields in the offline world. Some held themselves out, to different degrees as having ‘the solution’ for a price.
One particular presenter, whose blog I do follow, had worked for an major luxury automotive company in marketing and business operations. Very smart guy, with a business background. He confessed to having studied for up to six years at every opportunity whilst working full time in his full time job to learn what he learnt. That kind of commentary struck me as ethical, as his focus was on using free tools, and where there was a paid tool he focused on the free tool.
I always thought that I learned more from how certain people did things then from what they told us to do
SY
.-= hospitalera@Niche Marketing´s last blog ..Brand: [insert name here] =-.
Some people learn better visually then via text; so this $500 may actually me worth a lot to them as opposed to reading reading reading.
However saying that as you mentioned most techniques are just old techniques rehashed to work in new situations.
An old comic springs to mind where it talks about the evolution of medicine… in this he first panel shows ‘here take this herb to get better’…it progresses to leeches etc etc and then pill/drugs till eventually under 21st Century it says ‘here take this herb’….
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Lis, it is either “evangelical” or “evangelistic”, btw, please remember there are a lot of Christians out there that don’t fall in the category you describe, and I count myself amongst them, SY
.-= hospitalera@Niche Marketing´s last blog ..How to protect your brand with Google Alerts =-.
That’s why I usually qualify the noun Christian – mother was and quite a number of good friends0 are Christian without the qualifier
Sorry, it might be my lack of English ( I am not a native speaker) but i don’t have the slightest what you mean with your latest comment??? SY
.-= hospitalera@Niche Marketing´s last blog ..How to protect your brand with Google Alerts =-.
Sorry not enough coffee yet! I just distinguish between Evengelic Christians – who tend to want to convert others to their way of thinking my using the same techniques as markerts use to make you buy and “mainstream” Christians who believe that setting an example is a better way – my mother was one of those. Neither way works on my lack of belief but I have a lot more respect for the 2nd group
Liz, I am not a Christian, but often readily say the word ‘true Christian’ in respect of my late sister, and others who just live their lives in accordance with values that they wouldn’t even think of let alone talk of being ‘christian’. BTW I am not against Christians, even evangenlical ones.
However there is some commonality in the approach of people flogging ‘snake oil’ and the people that have given christianity a particularly bad name.
Agree with the two last comments, believe me, this type of “bible bashing tele-evangelists” provokes a lot of stomach ache, including amongst Christians, SY
.-= hospitalera@Niche Marketing´s last blog ..How to protect your brand with Google Alerts =-.
Kind of nice to see Brett McFall’s name being discussed. I watched him on videotape once (so didn’t spend any money at the back of the room ~LOL!~). His info was useful.
Maybe what y’all have identified is that dividing line between newb and those who have matured beyond that. In newbness, one thinks (believes, hopes) that *the package* is the solution to moving beyond technical challenges, and on to making money online. In newbness, one has not yet realized that one *is* the target market of MMOers.
Hey Lis, I have an idea. Let’s you and I plan a summit in Australia or New Zealand, you choose, (I will need you to pay my expenses too) and call it “How To Make Money While Having A Proctology Exam.” That’s what is effectively happening to most people who attend events of this type. Maybe we could even get the universe to hype a book for us even before we write it. Are you in?
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Definitly in Steve!I’m think a nice luxury lodge in New Zealand – excellent food and even the odd golf course if you are that way inclined – just signup 1000 friends to my soon to be opened $1995 membership site and I will throw in an economy airfare for you!
Are there any people who have actually bought one of these packages, newbie or veteran, who can say whether it was of any benefit? I realise it is an unfair question because, presumably, some of these internet marketers do offer fair value.
I have to laugh – I saw a full page ad in our local freebie newspaper for this guy and the first thing I did was visit your blog, Lissie – I knew you’d have something to say. It all sounds pretty much what I figured.
Hey Lis,
Another very good post. I’m not a fan of the hard sell at all. I often wonder if always being an “odd ball” is part of the reason that taking the conventional route has never worked well for me, but success often comes after setting off on my own direction. Still seeing some great increasing results over the past couple months and feeling more optimistic than ever about the future. Thanks for the great comments on my blog – hope I’m doing all right returning the favor! And I’m with you – all about Grizz and the Keyword Academy for learning how to make money online. Those have been huge for me. Glad to hear things are going well, and keep up the great work!
Cheers!
Shane “Master” Dayton
.-= Shane@Master Dayton Writing Blog´s last blog ..Freelance Writing & Blogging =-.
I remember hearing this quote from Robert Owens for the first time as a young child in Scotland – “All the world is queer save thee and me. And even thou art a little queer…” – and he’s not talking sexual orientation there – I always liked that quote…
LOL – love it. That’s going on the quote wall of my life.
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Lis, I see your stalking the Gurus again. When I sell my system to the NOObs I’m blocking yuor IP address. lol
bk
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BK australia has a wonderful deal with IP addresses – I get a new one everytime I login, every few days anyway and if I disconnect the modem for 5 minutes …. Its a pain for excluding my own visits from stats but in every other way its fantastic – I’m watching…. LOL
@Lis
And I would be driven barking mad trying to exclude myself from my stats, how do you do that if your ip changes all the time? SY
Oh dear, please never join the professional spamming business, Lis!!! I block my spammers by IP and the Australian system sounds like a real nightmare to me. Another reason not to move there, apart of the spiders
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Static in Europe too? I just assume that anyone in the stats from perth, australia -is me – its close enough LOL
Actually not all over Europe, but yes, my two main spammers were actually on a static ip, thanks God, I am now 100-200 spam comments a day down! And I have also a static one, that I know for sure (at least I think so) I am a wee bit hardware-challenged
SY
.-= hospitalera@Blogging´s last blog ..Market Samurai Review =-.
“read, read, read” Warren Buffett once told me that and it is absolutely true. So much can be found online for free and probably better than most of what you could easily pay for. Like SEO (Vic and Griz), Food blogs, Dog Blogs, you name it. Simply subscribing to a few blogs and forums would probably serve you better over the long run as it continuously reinforces the topic at hand vs. reading a book or ebook and setting it down to never pick up again. Learning is for the long haul and the more you can stay in tuned to your favorite subject the better off you’ll be.
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thanks for this informative post.i like your contents.and got something very different.keep sharing.
nice blog, I learn lot from you ,I hope your blog have a huge earning
Great words of advice Lis. Shockingly honest.
Hey,
I went to the World Internet Summit in Auckland, New Zealand and actually won a copy of Brett’s book which I found to be fantastic. I personally think Brett is the real deal, there’s no doubt he knows his stuff and Im sure we can all learn a lot from him – especially when it comes to copywriting!
I must admit I AFAIK Brett Mcfall is the only internet markter to have done a course in New Zealand – so I give him credit for that – as I live there now! However I don’t think his model will work for most beginners – though I agree his copywriting skills are well worth looking at – and the actual way that he sold his seminar was an eye-opener !
Hey Lis, Ive seem Brett live at a show in Sydney about a year ago and thought he was great. I didnt actually buy his course but he seems like a real down to earth marketer. i may be wrong but I believe he actually has a book which sells in a lot of mainstream shops nationwide as well?
Yes I saw him live too and have his book – but its all a pre-sale for the expensive course …
Hey Lis, youre probably right…but it works! His course is very expensive but I have heard good things about it…whether its worth the hefty price is another question…
I attended the WIS in Singapore and was really disappointing. My personal opinion is that Tom Hua and co are cashing in on under-informed attendees…to give you a good example, his course was selling for about AU$3000 – there are a heap of better courses that can be bought online for way less than 10% of that price…
Me and my wife went the world internet summit and bought Brett Mcfall course,To me at the time of getting the 12 month course thought it would be great learning from Brett only to find big pixie for instance was bullshit,His teaching is good in bits but not very detailed if i where to give markes out 10 it would be 3 at the most,Brett Mcfall fails to deliver
he has palmed some of his teaching off to a women called Gail Bottomly
she is a rank amuture teaching more bullshit and getting everyone to sign up to Affiliates and giving the big sell for a very bad performing course,regards,Norman Kennedy
Hi fellow Kiwi – I’m sorry you got caught by this particular scam Norm – its not all bullshite out there though – the tough bit is getting thru the learning curve so you recognisewhat’s worth paying for and what is not.
I went to a Brett Mcfalls seminar recently (within last few days) don’t want to give away who I am to him in case he reads this blog. I can say I was so shocked at the number of people who ripped out their credit cards at the end to pay the $395 upfront and willing to pay the remaining bill of $395 x 9 months for the course ( just under $4000 total) . The pressure of that sales pitch at the end was amazing (Limited time 15 minutes only) and I’m guessing he must have signed up 40 people ( approx $160,000 that day ,assuming they all pay up in full) at the one seminar I attended. For the sake of all those people who invested in it, I was really upset at myself at the time as I didn’t sign up (Must admitt I was very tempted)… but after reading this blog , Im very glad I didn’t now. I really hope the victims get something back on their investment (as statistically…. I’m quite sure most of them will probably fail). Brett Mcfall is definitely the master at painting dreams in your head. However we can all definitely learn something about selling from that guy !!!
I know there is a series of Brett McFall presentations on in New Zealand soon – so I hope others read this too! I agree his sales skills are absolutely superb. The reality people really will spend very large money for the “dream”. Technically if you do what he says you will probably make money – the sad bit is that he skips quickly over the unsexy, and most important part – finding the right keywords – there is no point in having a product for which there is no demand! I would like to hope that New Zealanders will have more sense than the Australians – but I doubt it
For anyone who’s brought the course- I would be very interested in your honest feedback in this blog as to how its all been going. Im sure it will probabily generate some form of income , But very skeptical about the amounts hes shown at the presentation.
Actually I think the free seminar and book are stand alone and Brett emphasises this. I’m paraphrasing but I think his opening salvo at the day presentation in Paramatta recently stated “I’m going to you everything you need to know and he was as good as his word. I took copious notes, pretty much what is in his book, but all good. And I walked out at the end without signing up for his expensive mentoring course, reasoning that I didn’t want to go to endless workshops and seminars anyway. Once you have the information you can learn by doing.
So I got a ton of valuable free info on selling online and making money. You need to pay attention as he does cover a lot of material, and he expressed justifiable dismay when someone asked halfway through the day whether you could get someone else to write your e-book (he’s spent considerable time covering the hiring of writers from elance)
But if you listen, it’s all solid practical information so I’d recommend attending a session and/or buying the book.
His Info was good – I took pages of notes – but they made sense to me because I’d been doing it for 18 months by the time I went the seminar – seminar was pitched to beginners – there is no way they could absorb all that information – it was definitely the “blind them with science and then get them to sign up for the soft option” The people I spoke to in the audience barely knew what facebook was and didn’t have any websites
Berko, I must have gone to the same seminar as you. I also took copious notes and have since bought the book which I have read twice.
On the day, I was a complete newbie and this IM stuff opened up a whole new world to me. I always disregarded the ads on the side of search results, had heard of making money on the internet (mainly eBay) and had known of blogs. But the rest of it was good information and Brett did the day’s presentation very well.
I too was a bit surprised at the rush to sign up at the end of the day but my saving grace that day was that I was unemployed. I’ve done my own reading and wrote a few blogs, surveys and registrations on the sites he covered. That was a few months ago now and I’m glad I didn’t sign up. Not for saying it’s a scam but I obviously need to know more before I get myself really into it.
To be honest Brett Macfall is not all bad,but he needs to get upto speed with modern Internet Marketing He has some good tips,he looks for the easy way’s to do things which is good if you know the Internet” i have got say this if i did not go to the world Internet summit and see Brett Macfall” i would have not persued Internet marketing “you have got to look at any situation of what did i do to become successfull”
Its Easy to knock people,His DVD’s do have some great guest speakers,You also get his free forum that i think is good,he has done a better job of his new stuff 2010,so thats my up-date,I am afraid of people who look for free stuff as most of it is out of date,When i see people trying to get everything free” well i call them freeloaders,Fast web formula 2 is coming up in September 10th 11th 12th September Held in the Stamford Airport hotel Sydney Australia if you are looking for some great training and realy want to get ahead you will get the best here,Regards,Norman Kennedy
Norm I don’t think anyone is disagreeing that Brett Macfall provides good tips – what I don’t like is the high pressure sales, and what I find amazing is the ability for people to fall for it. As the above commentator mentioned the going rate is A$4000 for content which is not a complete solution – and which does not just need to “make you money in your sleep” but also to make you back that $4k within in a year.
“Doing a better job with his new stuff” – is faint praise – I estimated in the Perth seminar he signed up A$100k of business so every 3/4 months he trails around Australia/NZ main centers and picks up about around A$1million gross – nice return – the material should be cutting edge for that sort of income!
I notice your site heavily prompts James Schramko and Fast Web Formula Review. You might serve your readers better if you provide some real reviews of the product. We could start with the price of the seminar?
People who want stuff for free aren’t freeloaders – they may be cheap or broke – but there is nothing illicit or immoral by using your time to find good information for free. There is a certain arrogance, and you’re not the first to show it on this site, suggesting that if you can’t afford to pay thousands you shouldn’t be in the game.
As far as i am concerned you can go on the Internet for years looking for free stuff and you will not get to where you want to be Because all the information will be out of date if you can find it. i have also found people who want everything free are freeloaders and moaners who will never pay jack shit for anything” so if you want to look after these people your welcome,I have never mentioned the word Arrogant maybe you are a little wound up with me saying it how it realy is” if you actually go onto my site you will see why i recommend James Schramko because of his in depth Training in all aspects of this business” i am doing an in depth reveiw of his course soon,I wonder what you do besides doing this blog?do you do Internet marketing?Suggesting is a word to point to,If you can find good free Information on how to really make it on the Internet please send it to me,You have got to get real with yourself if you are serious about Internet marketing,You will never do it for Free anything even this WordPress Blog is not free,You got register it with Yahoo price$299U.S,you got to put the right plugins the right themes,you dont get Free connections,Free phone line’s Free broadband,You pay for your computer,Your electric, Your ink for your printer,If you do not have the money to do this then you can’t start,Best regards,Norman Kennedy
That’s true as far as it goes but, look, I signed up with Internet Marketing Center, a Canadian company, and I just found that I was paying a monthly fee for a setup that I was getting no returns for. It may be fine if you’re up and running and need the structure to work within but I think getting free information displays commonsense and caution, not a ‘whingeing freeloader’ mentality. You will then, doubtless, go on to spend on advertising, web hosting, etc, but will be doing so on your own terms and at your own pace.
That makes a great deal more sense than committing thousands of dollars upfront when, even if the information or the marketer is legit, you may not be ready yourself to be able to first recoup the money you’ve spent and then start making the kind of profits you would expect for that kind of investment.
Hi,Berko,I set-up top Internet marketersblog to try and get the best information out there i myself was ripped off it cost me a forune both financially and time “wasted which is much more Important as we have only one life “so dont waste it”,Thats my Motto,After going on James Schramko Fast Web formula course within one week of finshing the course i revovered the money spent,I set-up sites x4 done showed these people traffic plugins,seo, went out and helped local people put up there blogs and websites added 1 local business that was offline and got him online,Most Internet marketing is long term but if you are willing to teach the best methods there is,you will get plenty of great people ready to learn,If i thought i was giving the wrong information i would not want to do this business,I agree getting free information displays some commonsense,with caution” this year i met guy who said to me i can get this IM information for free,I will name the guy if any one wants me to,He sent me pages opon pages of stuff,nearly all was out of date or at best,He went and found Google stuff upto date,I asked him did he understand this information his answer “no i did not”I COULD GO ON,to finish i could say to you for $197 US you can get an affiliate course that works very well,I am not affiliated to this course just in case you thought i was,you get great information and you would save a lot of time,Best regards,Norman Kennedy
Hello Lis,
What is your opinion of Ewen Chia’s program? I also attended the NZ WIS – did not purchase anything – but am looking at Ewen Chia’s offer. I am a newbie to internet marketing, but fairly savvy to the internet.
Cheers
I had a quick look at Ewen Chia Nara – looks like the classic internet marketing – the money’s in the list stuff. The problem is that unless he’s going to teach you how to do keyword research you will probably get nowhere fast!
Well I personally thinks that the actual money was make by those internet Guru in all sorts of fenzy Internet Sumit. If the summit is FREE, well no harms of attending, but if you had to pay thousnads to attend, then I think the one that make money are the organizers. Just like the Casino in Singapore, before you start gambling you had to pay S$100 first, menaing you had to lose money even before making money.
I have spent thousands of dollars to learned all the gimmick of Making money while splleping by attending Internet Sumit and purchasing all those Internet Untested Guru Wealth Formula. Let me tell you that 99% of them are junks.
One things they are right is about making money for themselves, they are only sharing you dreams, the puzzle is all up to you to discover.
i can actually see most of you on this blog dont make any money” because you are always humming about having to pay money for courses”or blame Brett Maxfall for your problems” why dont you change the record and talk about your successes instead moaning on like academic misrable people” yes there is plenty of scams but it seems like you are crying moaning all the time,like cry babies all is wrong,This is the most negative blog i have ever seen and Liz Sowerbutts encoureges this”Get fucken real and go and find good course that suit’s you and pay your $2000 or $10.000 whatever it takes to get to where you need to go and just do it”and stop moaning,Norman Kennedy.successfull “internet marketer”
@Norm my spelling and proof checking isn’t the best – but your comment is so illiterate I was forced to leave it intact – if you are trying to promote your favourite guru do at least attempt to spell his name right! Yeah its really negative of me to tell me people that they don’t need to spend $1997 (US, A or NZ$) to attend a seminar (like the one you are pushing) or do a course! Outrageous!
Lis, I would like to congratulate you in hosting this blog, You have done of all us a good favor and a good deed. Thanks. I support you all the way.
As for Norm, I pity on you that after attending all those courses, your Guru still failed to teach you manners on communication. May be you need to attend more courses on ethics and manners or PR and some language courses. You are completely wrong to judge us that we are not making money over the internet. Reserve you comments onto your own if you do not know, making wild allegation and vulgars language only degrade your dignity as a person. People will not respect you. I think I make more money over the internet then you, and I am a self thought from university of HARDKNOCKED, not by So Called Internet Guru who are only interested then your money then your success.
Lis are not wrong in hosting this blog or this post and neither she is encouraging a negative mourning feedback about internet summit, courses or those Guru. You are speaking not using your head but rather your uncontrol emotion. Grow up! welcome to the real world. This is a forum, and members are sharing their thoughts, whats so negative about sharing thoughts and ideas. Pls don’t spoon feed us.
Thanks Master – LMFAO his latest comment he had to email to me via the contact form as well as posting it here – I find it hilarious how its online, and its own people who are supporting their gurus (and their affiliate incomes) who have to throw the same name-calling I got in Primary school!
Congratulations Lissie, seems you got a new troll commenting here
And one that not even can spell 
As for the rest, I think Lissie mentioned occasionally a program called The Keyword Academy, imho the best way to learn how to make money online. And more affordable than all these super-duper internet marketing programs out there. Only drawback, you actually have to work… SY
You said it SY – sometimes its a no-brainer to let the comments thru – I’d say he was hoist by his own petard – but probably a little to literary for him !
With a name like Sowerarse excuse me i made a spelling mistake,and for the arseholes commenting on here crying on about getting everything for nowt and then crying on about how expensive all the IM courses are why dont you go underground and stay there,as i have never seen any evidance about what you are earning You can find out what i earn anytime if you ask nicely,I bet you dont earn much money and all that bad advice you give out will make all your commenters broke because you are broke always moaning on,
I have found over many years your type of person create poverty because you have poverty in all of your writeups,I bet you get up in the morning and wonder what you are going to moan about instead of getting up and enjoying life.
to be honest your blog is for cheap scapes including yourself as your created it,notice my personal development coming out funny making money is better than spelling good,Norm
You need to anwer the Questions about earning money,and all your successes so what are they?tell all the people on here all your successes you have made remember i asked you what you months ago and i got no answer 0% reply so instead of trying to dodge the question just show people the proof of what you create?????????? or stop trying to be clever,I will take it personally if you dont show what you realy earn i am prepared to do the same so come on what do you earn every month??????I notice you avoid the answering the question every time and use any excuse to side step me,Norm
For fuck’s sake Norm read the blog: I have reported my income here my most recent projects is profit of around NZ$45k this tax year. The entire point of this blog is that I started it when I made nothing online – I now make my living online – do you?
I notice you can give it out but you cant take it,Yes i online from selling products like jewellery,specialist equipment,I M training,I have rights to PI metal detectors for the UK AU NZ,20k per month one of the sites i also sell offline i am doing new product launches here in the UK also NZ AU yes i certainly make my money online,I also teach people from the very start from wordpress to product launches from list building to affiliate marketing to offline marketing,I also show step by step modern methods of Internet marketing most people do not teach,The courses i have been on Brett Macfall,James Schramko,Jeff Walker,Steve Isor,lets see there is more,Jeff Johnston,List control Frank Kern,PLF3 new 1,there is more CPA MIKE HILL,Traffic Evelution,and a lot more if you want the rest i can send you the whole list,cost 100k give or take,I have perfected my own style of marketing have you??Keyword research Market samurai, i could challenge the best anywhere and prove the outcome with the most advanced IM online not that free outdated stuff,including,Norm
LOL notice you ducked the question about actually what your profit was – I could tell you I am a NZ millionaire – but its irrelevant to the discussion at hand – as irrelevant as the 100k you’ve spent on course. Its not really about how big your ego is in this game or whether you get to hang with the big boys – I make an income online without ripping anyone off – I sleep at night – do you?
you cant afford the above courses,as you have a poverty concious,Norm
Norm you can’t answer questions about income – anyone who has real assets will tell you its not about what you earn – its what you do with it that’s important. Telling people its their fault they can’t afford to pay for over priced crap is the oldest (and the lowest) trick in the book
Really acting like school kids! I don’t spent 100k on courses like you, but I’ve learned so much enriching experiences and lessons from sharing thoughts in blogs and forums like this. After gathering all the facts, I used common sense and device my own strategy online.
I would not brag about my income earning online,and I don’t have to share with you to prove that I earned more. But earning 20k per month are peanuts. Your understanding of online income are so stereotype. I make the income you brag in making a month in a single day.To me, making such income is normal online.
Look here Dud, I think Lis does not intend to turn this blog post into a war zone or bragging, cursing or calling names. Its child play. Stop it at once. If You earned that much, well its good for you. After all, what you earned in a month is not important, but what you share with what you earned in a month are much more important. Success after all is to share what you have.
Sorry Dude, I respect you as a person and you must learned to respect others, at least the 100K course should thought you this. I respected Lis, because her online journey are sincere and genuine. She has share her success with others and she will be rewarded for doing it. She deserved the credit, and remember you are in her ” domain “, so be polite and gentle.
Hey Lissie,
Nothing has changed other than the obvious.
Norm is what I call a “Time waster” I get to meet them all the time.
Cheers!
P.S. Moving On
Well said Dirk, very much agreed.
Dirky boy i dont know you,what you say does not count” same as the bad information you get off here,it does not count,Lis is one of those type of people a wanna be,
If you need to find out anything about good key word’s forget all this information on here just get Market Samurai,maybe the best info,you would get from a time waster”Norm
Norm,
I already use Market Samurai.:)
Here you go again wasting peoples time.